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    Hi everybody,

    In 1980 I corresponded with the late Yeatman Anderson III. He was then curator of rare books & special collections of the public library of Cincinnati and Hamilton County. He was about to send me drawings of the W. W. O’Neil’, but they never arrived.

    Does anyone know of the existence of such drawings (or any other drawings of western rivers paddle steamer engines & boilers)?

    Maybe we can all join in an compile a list with sources of books, magazines, collections etc. Over the years I have found quite some material. I am compiling a list of my findings and I will post it here.

    #2
    Willem, there is a pretty good list of reference material here on this site in other places. I would suggest Alan Bates' "steamboat Cyclopaedium" and "Engineroom Cyclopaedium" for questions pertaining to steamboat engines, boilers, etc. There is a wealth of info. out there.

    As to the Cincinnati Public Library Rare books collection, Mr. Anderson retired and is no longer living. The new contact is Ms. Patricia Van Skaik.

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      #3
      Engine and boiler drawings

      Thank you Bob,

      I think it's a good idea for me to post what I DO know about and the documents and books that I have already.

      I have a copy of Alan Bates' Steamboat Cyclopoedium and I am desperatelty trying to get my hands on the Engineroom Cyclopoedium. I know Mr. Anderson has passed away. Hence my calling him "the late Yeatman Anderson III" in my post.

      I have been in contact with Diane Mallstrom, Reference Librarian of Genealogy & Local History/Cincinnati Room, Public Library of Cincinnati & Hamilton County. She says: "I also had no luck in finding a blueprint of the W.W. O’NEIL. The Inland Rivers Library has had 2 major moves since 1980 so a few things might have been misplaced or lost."

      I will try to contact Ms. Van Skaik (very Dutch-sounding name by the way)

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        #4
        Perhaps it's more difficult to find than either of Alan L. Bate's two books, but there are nice drawings of Rees engines, boilers, and auxiliary equipment in the James Rees and Sons catalog that Fred Way and Jerry Sutphin had reprinted years ago.

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          #5
          *Smithsonian Institution Transportation Dept.*
          Steamboating colleagues,
          Willem, Bob, Frank, I would suggest RE: above on "Engine and boiler drawings" that you hit your internet search engine to type in, call up the various departments of the Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C. with links to their great Transportation Department. S&D's own Proffessor Jack White was for years in that department until retirement, moving to Ohio with an additional position at Miami University, Oxford, Ohio. If you've never visited the various Smithsonian departments and buildings in Washington, I suggest you do so in at least a few if there. Many of the Smithsonian departments tracked by typing in on their title.

          The 'National Archives' would also no doubt have related information. For a time those infernal budget cuts reduced work hours, personnel--that was until certain members of congress got miffed when they sent assistants for information they needed only to learn that their own decisions cut services. Hope this helps as, again, what do I know?

          R. Dale Flick
          Old coal Haven Landing, Ohio River, Cincinnati.

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            #6
            I've found this old International Correspondents Schools book to be quite good. It's available on amazon.com or for free on google books.

            Marine Boilers ; Marine Engines ; Western River Steamboats: International Correspondence Schools: 9781295716852: Amazon.com: Books

            https://books.google.com/books?id=4Q...page&q&f=false

            I've also found information by searching through google's patent database.

            https://patents.google.com/

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              #7
              *International Correspondents Etc.*
              Jason, thanks for the 'links' above you found RE: 'Engine and boiler drawings Etc.' Great sources of information for Willem and others. I added the one with complete text to my 'Favorites' on computer for further reference. A poster here several years ago did reference Correspondence School manuals but this now nails it. Cheers!

              R. Dale Flick
              Old Coal Haven Landing, Ohio River, Cincinnati

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                #8
                Engine and boiler drawings

                Here re is a list of books and printed articles on my bookshelves I’ve studied so far. Perhaps this is not the most practicle format, but I am cataloging sort of a biblography in MS Word.
                Recent addition: info on the Missouri Packet engine, thanks to and Paula Rose of the Arabia Steamboat Museum and Carl Jones, forum member.
                Still trying to get my hands on Alan Bates’ “Engineroom Cyclopoedium”.
                As for photographs; try typing, “engine”, “engineer”, “interior”, “engineroom” etc. on
                https://wiki.cincinnatilibrary.org/
                http://uwdc.library.wisc.edu/collect...rosseSteamboat
                https://digital.lib.ecu.edu/search.a...time%20History
                Howard Steamboat Museum Collection
                Books I recommend: Full Steam Ahead with chapters bij Jack Custer, Alan Bates and others, and The Western River Steamboat, by Adam Kane.
                On hathitrust.org most of the sources Hunter mentions is notes can be read online. Here are just acouple:
                Cassier's magazine
                Transactions of the The Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers
                The Engineer
                International Marine Engineering
                Transactions of the Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers
                Marine engineer and naval architect.
                Transactions of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers
                Transactions of the Royal Institution of Naval Architects
                This is a list of books I have:
                Lloyd, James T. - Lloyd's Steamboat Directory and Disasters on the Western Waters 1856
                Cramer, Zaduk - The navigator
                Klein, Benjamin F. - The Ohio river handbook and picture collection
                Cunnings, Samuel - The Western pilot 1847
                Way, Fred, jr. - Oldest pilothouse, the
                U.S. corps of engineers Regulations - Ohio River, Mississippi River above Cairo, Ill. And their tributaries
                Teuton, Frank L. - Steamboating on the Upper Tennessee
                Teuton, Frank L. - Steamboat days on the Tennessee River
                Teuton, Frank L. - Log of the Julia Belle Swain, the
                Barkhau, Roy - Great steamboat race between the Natchez and the Rob't. E. Lee, the
                Hunt, James R. - Inland Rivers Library report 1977-1979
                Hunt, James R. - Inland Rivers Library report 1983-1985
                Brown, John K. - Limbs in the levee - steamboat explosions and the origins of Federal Public Welfare Regulation 1817-1852
                Hunter, Louis C. - Steamboats on the Western Rivers
                Mills, Randall V. - Stern-wheelers up Columbia
                Drago, Harry Sinclair - Steamboaters - From the early side-whellers to the big packets
                Owen, Dan - Inland Rivers record 1980
                Unknown - Natchez Steamboat (brocure)
                Various - Water trails west
                Fishbaugh, Charles Preston - From paddlewheels to propellors Petsche, Jerome E. Steamboat Petsche, Jerome E. - Bertrand, the - history, excavation and architecture
                Graham, Philip - Showboats - the history of an american institution
                Bates, Alan L. - Belle of Louisville
                Stanton, Samuel Ward - Inland Rivers steam vessels (36 drawings)
                Wayman, Norbury L. - Life on the river
                Way, Fred, jr. - Way's directory of towboats
                Way, Fred, jr. - Way's directory of packets
                Ghiltin, G. W. - Illustrated history of paddle steamers
                Gandy, Joan W. - Norman's Natchez an early photographer and his town
                Kane, Adam I. - Western River steamboat, the
                Hawley, Greg - Treasure in a cornfield
                Zurski, Ken - Wreck of the Columbia, the
                Corbin, Annalies - Life and times of the steamboat Red Cloud, the
                Bates, Alan L. - Western steamboat cyclopoedium
                Marine Iron Works - Marine Iron Works of Chicago Catalog
                Rees, James - James Rees & Sons Illustrated Catalog
                Switzer, Ronald R. - Steamboat Bertrand, the - and the Missouri river commerce
                Merrick, George Byron - Old Times on the Upper Mississppi
                Konstam Angus - Confederate Blockade Runner 1861-65
                Konstam Angus - Union River Ironclad 1861-65
                Konstam Angus - Union Monitor 1861-65
                Konstam Angus - Mississippi River Gunboats of the American Civil War 1861-65
                Konstam Angus - Confederate Ironclad 1861-65
                Russell, Charles Edward - Rafting on the Mississip', a
                Walworth, Reuben - Wheeling Bridge case, the
                Various Full - Steam Ahead
                Way, Frederick - editor - S&D Reflector vol 9 - 24
                Custer, Jack - editor - The Egregious Steamboat Journal issue 1-28 (minus issues 7 and 20)

                These are articles I downloaded from hathitrust.org and OCR-ed to .rtf files:

                1870 # King, W.H. - Western River Boat Engine
                1871 # Merriam, J. C. -One hundred years of progress in the United States
                1880 # Fitch, Charles H. - Report on Marine Engines and Steam Vessels in the United States
                1900 # Fehrenbatch, John - Western Rivers Steamboat Practice
                1900 # ICS staff and Paul H. Frohwein - Marine-Engine Mechanism Slide-Valve Gears
                1903 # Morrison, John H. - History of steam navigation - Chapter IV - Western Rivers
                1909 # Ward, Charles - Shallow-draught river steamers
                1978 # Sawyer, William D. - The Western river engine
                1805 # Evans, Oliver - The Abortion of the Young Steam Engineer's Guide
                1835 # Talebois, Edward - Notes of a Traveller on America Steam Navigation
                1887 # Sweeney, M - River practice of the West
                1895 # Bryan, William H. - The Western River Steamboat
                1896 # Blaisdell, A. H. - The Western River Steamboat
                1919 # Merrick, George B. and Tibbals, William R. - Genesis of Steam Navigaton on Western Rivers
                1947 # Hunter, Lewis C. - Steamboats on the Western rivers
                1830-1852 # Journal of the Franklin Institute - On the explosions od steam boilers and other articles
                1903 # Morrison, John H. - History of American steam navigation
                1903 # Chittenden, Hiran M. - History of Early Steamboat Navigation on the Missouri River Volume 1
                1978 # Johnson, Leland R. - Engineers on the twin rivers
                1889 # Gould, E. W. - Fifty years on the Mississippi
                From Intarnational Marine Engineering:
                Brown, H. H. - The River Steamer S.S. Brown - May 1909 - pages 171-179
                Baldwin, Bert L. - Pittsburg and Cincinnati Packet Line sternwheel steamer Queen City pages 5-11 (October 1897), pages 16-20 (November 1897), pages 19-22 (December 1897)
                ? - Steel towboat Sprague - September 1903 - pages 474-481
                ? - The “Doctor”as met with in Western river steamboat practice” - January, 1899 - Pages 29-31
                From the Journal of the Franklin Institute:
                Vol. VI. November 1830 Pages 352-358 - On the Safety of Steam Boats. By Professor Silliman.
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                Vol. VI. November 1830 Pages 327-332 - On the Explosion of Steam Boilers. By Charles Potts
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                Vol. VI. November 1830 Pages 332-335 - Remarks on the frequent Explosions of Steam Engine Boilers in theUnited States, and on the construction and operation of two boilers now in use. By D. J. Burr.
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 234-237 - Explosions of Steam Boilers. By the Committee
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 237- 239 - (No. 1.) (circular.) By Robert Vaux
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 239-240 - Explosions of Steam Boilers. (No. 2.) (circular.) Thomas Cooper, Joseph Cloud, Jacob Perkins, and Frederick Graff,Esquires.
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 240-241 - Explosions of Steam Boilers. (No. 3.) (circular.) By Thomas Cooper.
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 241-242 - Explosions of Steam Boilers. (No. 4.) (circular.) By Fred. Graff.
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 242-243 - Explosions of Steam Boilers. (No. 5.) (circular.) By Jacob Perkins.
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 244-247 - On the Structure and Management of Steam Engine Boilers. By Col. S. H. Long, U. S. Engineer Corps.
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 289-295 - Propositions and Suggestions on the means of obviating or lessening the accidents incident to Navigation by Steam. By John S. Williams, Engineer.
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 306-307 - Letter from General J. Swift to one of the Committee on Explosions
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 307-308 - W.S.C. (No. IV.)
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 308-310 - Extract of a letter from Wm. Littlefield (No. V.)
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Page 310 - Letter from a gentleman connected with the Caledonia. (No. VI.)
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 310-312 - Letter from Matthew Robinson. (No. VII.)
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 312-314 - Letter from Erasmus V. Benton (No. VIII.)
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 314-315 - Letter from Erasmus V. Benton (No. IX.)
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 315-315 - Second letter from Matthew Robinson (No. X.)
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 374-382 - Letter from L. Hebert, Esq., of London, in reply to the Circular of the Com-mittee of the Franklin Institute. (No. XI.)
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                Vol VII - new series- 1831 Pages 382-388 - Letter from Thos. W. Bakewell, Esq., (No. XII.)
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 362-369 - On the Explosion of Steam Boilers. Letter from Thomas Ewbank
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 12-14 - Explosions of Steam Boilers. Extract of a letter* from Professor James Henwick, of Columbia College
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 15-16 - Explosions of Steam Boilers. Extract of a letter from the Hon. S. D. Ingham, late Secretary of the Treasury,
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 16-18 - Explosions of Steam Boilers. Extract of a letter from E. A. Lester, Esq. to the Secretary of the Treasury,
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 18-20 - Anonymous communication received from England, through P. Vaughan, Esq.
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 20-21 - To the members of the Franklin Institute. By a practical engineer.
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 22-24 - To the members of the Franklin Institute. By G.W.L.
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 24-30 - To the members of the Franklin Institute. By Thos. J Halderman
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 89-94 - To the members of the Franklin Institute. By Cadwallader Evans
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 94-99 - To the members of the Franklin Institute. Letter from John G. Cassedy Pages 94-99
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Page 100 - Extract of a letter from James D. Woodside
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 100-101 - Letter from E. Bigelow
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Page 101 - Extract of a letter from John D. Weird
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 346-349 - Remarks on the Explosion of Steam Boilers. Submitted by Mr. Jacob Perkins
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                Vol IX - new series- 1832 Pages 362-369 - On the Explosion of Steam Boilers. Letter from Thomas Ewbank
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                VOL. XIV.—No. 5.—November, 1834. Pages 353-356 - Steamboats on the Western Waters.
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                Vol. I, 3rd Series - No. 1. - January, 1841. [pages 73-83] - "Steam Navigation in the United States" - Francis Anthony Chevalier de Gerstner
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                Vol. XV.—3rd Series—No. 1—January, 1848. Pages 354-355 - "Extent of Steam Navigation on the Western Waters, Including the Rivers, Bayous, &c., Connected with the Mississippi by Channels Navigable for Steamers."
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                Vol. XXIII.—3rd Series—No. 1—January, 1852. Pages 322-324 - Jones, A. C. "An Account of the Explosion of the Steamboat Brilliant."
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                Vol. XXIII.—3rd Series—No. 1—January, 1852. Pages 415-416 - Explosion of the Steamboat “Mary Kingsland.” By A. C. Jones, Eng’r
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                Vol. XXIII. - 3rd Series - No. 1 - January, 1852. Pages 322-324 - Jones, A. C. "An Account of the Explosion of the Steamboat Brilliant."
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                  #9
                  @ R. Dale Flick:

                  I will try to get "into" the Smithsonian links as you suggested. I sent a mail to Ship Plans division of the Dept. of Transportation of the National Museum of American History of the Smithsonian


                  @ Jason:

                  Yes, this is a very good book! I was lucky enough to buy an original on ebay a few month's ago, complete with the folded plates and all. Firts thing I dis was make highres scans of the plates!

                  @ Frank X.:

                  I have the Rees catalog you mention. It was indeed hard to find and very expensive, but worth every cent! I also have a 1986 reprint of the 1902-1908 Marine Iron Works of Chicaco Catalog.

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                    #10
                    *Your extensive research listing*
                    Steamboating colleagues,
                    Well, Willem, to say I'm impressed with your above research sources listings putting it mildly. Obviously you've been doing your home work and very well. In short, for my records here, I'm going to run off/print a copy of your listing. Briefly scanning down, I see a number of familiar sources; others new to me. Please keep us posted.

                    R. Dale Flick
                    Old Coal Haven Landing, Ohio River, Cincinnati

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                      #11
                      In one of the issues of the Egregious Steamboat Journal, this article and drawing appeared. This is the only mentioning I ever found of it. No other referrals on the Internet. Is there anyone who knows more about this?

                      “The Earliest Steamboat Engine?
                      In this issue's photo essay on sternwheels, we mention the difficulty involved in connecting early steamboat engines with their sidewheels. For some reason, a connectingrod and crank were not used. Instead, the early builders came upwith bizarre ideas to connect engines to sidewheels.

                      Overcoming complexity with simplicity was the major engineering hurdle. Most assume that Fitch, Evans, and Fulton are the main figures behind the early boats. Not so. There are many others. John H. White of the Smithsonian has sent the accompanyingdrawing showing Griffin Green's steamboat engine of 1796. This engine and the boat it powered were built; however, the project went bankrupt before it was completed in 1798-99.

                      What happened to this early steamboat engine is uncertain. Green is a name that the books devoted to early steamboat history overlook and yet Jack White feels that this is the earliest extant drawing of an Ohio River steamboat engine. Nicholas Roosevelt built the New Orleans in Pittsburgh in 1811. Greene settled at Belpre, Ohio, in 1789 and built a steamboat 15 years before the New Orleans. A quasi-pittman evidently works rack gears. Possibly through ratchets, the engine's reciprocal motion is converted to rotary.”

                      (drawing will be uploaded shortly)
                      Last edited by Willem van Berkel; 12-13-2015, 12:09 PM. Reason: wrong heading

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                        #12
                        Hello R. Dale,

                        Yes, it’s a big pile of paper and it takes some effort to keep it categorized and cross-indexed. Trying to make some sense of it all by compiling and editing everything in the format of a book. Sort of…

                        So, my initial inquiry in this post still stands: Does anyone know of the existence of drawings of the W. W. O’Neil machinery? At one time or another the public library of Cincinnati and Hamilton County must have had drawings of this.

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                          #13
                          This is the drawing that Jack White dug up.
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