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    For anyone in the market, except Cap'n Walnut, here's an interesting find on eBay.
    Vintage 30 Ft Steamboat/ Guildford Belle:eBay Motors (item 230364750574 end time Aug-16-09 12:04:08 PDT)

    If the link doesn't work you can search "steamboat guildford belle" and it should take you to the auction.

    Very reminiscent of the Brown owned Lorena.

    If anybody wins the auction I'd love a ride.


    I wish I had to money! I don't know how practical she would be to run tours on, but I bet she would be a head turner and a great vessel to just putter around on!


      Oh Wow Oh Wow! Boy how I wish I wasn't in the middle of remodeling a house. I'd go in hock for that!


        South on I-65

        We saw that cute little paddlewheeler heading south on I-65, about half way between Louisville and E'town, last Sunday, 23 August. Course she was on a trailer. She's neat, but I'm wondering how effective that tiny wheel may be. Anyone know who that was behind the wheel of the tow vehicle, and where were they headed?


          *RE: GUILDFORD BELLE/'Severn' Engine.*
          Steamboating colleagues:
          Received a 'heads up' to open/read this posting with photos RE: GUILDFORD BELLE. Indeed, her engine is a 'Severn Compound' from the famed Lune Valley Egineering Co., Lancaster, England. The boiler also from the same works burning kersosene. No date visible on the engravings in the photo. The company lists this engine with the early dates of 1910. This engine, possibly, later.

          There's much interest in the UK today for steam engineering, launches etc. with many new or restored vessels equipped with props, sidewheels--none I see with sternwheels so far other than the GUILDFORD BELLE. Photos with vessels underway show, possibly, faster speeds than imagined.

          I well remember many trips on the little Str. LORENA designed, built by the late Chalres and Lorena Brown of Cincinnati. Granted she didn't make much speed but she was a beauty. Charlie, as posted here previously, used in later years a new boiler fuel distilled from peanut oil. It received much interest from commercial and academic people who studied the use making careful measurements from our University of Cincinnati. The first oil when burned smelled like peanuts--or passing a greasy spoon restaurant. In time the oil was refined with little to no smoke or discernable odor.

          I questioned Charlie once aboard the LORENA what would happen underway if he fell ill. From then he wrote out and posted careful directions from A to Z how to handle her boiler and engine.

          More may be viewed/learned RE: steam engines/steamboats in the UK by going to: www.steamboats.orguk or the Steam Boat Association of Great Britain. I'll run some of this by family members living in Bristol, England. 'Aye, mates.'

          Well, what do I know?

          From the shores of northern lake Michigan,
          R. Dale Flick


            Interesting information, but that GUILDFORD BELLE is somewhere, here, in the US of A, reachable by Interstate Highway 65, South of Louisville. Hope I'll find her tied up next to me, in Decatur, when I return to the SUN*FISH.


              *RE: GUILDFOR BELLE*
              Hi, Shipyard & steamboating colleagues:
              Yes, I noted in your initial comments seeing the GUILDFORD BELL in transit down on Highway 65 south of Louisville. What a lucky concidence. I again scanned/magnified the photos of the GB's steam engine and, as far as my bleery eyes can see, no engraved or stamped date in the cylinder head; possibly marked in another place. I've no way either of knowing if the engine we see is of 1910 vintage or later...possibly later. Lune Valley Engine Co., UK, is still no small concern. There's also a big interest and following in Australia in restoring, running vintage steam launches, yachts etc. using the Lune/Savery Compound Engine models. British engine and ship/boat builders sent engines, boilers and prefab vessels all over the world similar to DENNY BROS. with the DELTA KING/DELTA QUEEN. There are other more knowledegable minds on this web concerning the above.

              The big question in my mind is the shipping costs to bring the GUILDFORD BELLE here to the U.S. No doubt by ship. I too wonder, as you, what the initial power/thrust of that small appearing wheel would be? There are keen engineering minds, and others with hands-on exprience, here like Alan Bates, 'Cap'n Walnut,' Kenny Howe, Bill Judd etc. who could elighten us.

              Well, what do I know?

              From chilly northern Lake Michigan,
              R. Dale Flick


                IF it floats and runs, someone got a good deal. It sold for $15,000. Paddlewheel looks a little dinky and it probably draws a lot of water, but who cares. It would still be a lot of fun to have.


                  Guildford Belle

                  My brother Bill was driving the truck pulling the Guildford Belle last August 22-23 from New York to our farm in Smith County, Mississippi where we were raised and where Bill still lives. Next weekend, Bill will bring her to Spring, Texas where I live. The previous owner had already done a lot of work restoring the boat, but there remains enough to keep my friends and me busy for a few months. I also note that the seller had the boat ready for travel and gave us an excellent overview on tailoring and completion of restoration and also gave us paint and polishing supplies.

                  The Guildford Belle’s home base will be on Lake Conroe, Texas. My dear friend, Lonnie Riley will store the boat on his land on the lake when she is not on the water. Lonnie is the one person I talked to prior to buying the boat on E-bay. I found out about the boat being for sale less than two hours before the end of the bid. Lonnie and the rest of the guys in our group know a whole lot more about restoring boats and operating boats in general than I do. Without Lonnie and our group’s support, I would not have had the courage to undertake being an owner of a steamboat.

                  My brother and I do have a long history and connection to Steamboats. Our father, Captain Carroll “Rip” Ware (1912-1983) was a pilot on the Delta Queen and Mississippi Queen. Daddy’s picture is on website in the group of pictures with other Delta Queen employees in the late 70’s. John Hartford was referring to our father in “Captain Ware I’m sorry, my hat is off to you, you’ve been hanging around the old cook stove with the Steam Boat Whistle Blues.”

                  YouTube - John Hartford - Ramblin - 13 - Steamboat Whistle Blues

                  Like many of our relatives, I rode on the Delta Queen and Mississippi Queen when Daddy was the pilot and that was a most treasured time for all of us.

                  From 1967-1971, I worked as a deckhand on towboats on the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers and also worked at the Waterways Marine Boat Store in Memphis while I was attending Mississippi State University. Since 1972 until this summer, I have made my living off of crime, working as a police officer (Mississippi and Texas), probation and correctional officer/administrator, but most of my career has been spent in a college classroom teaching criminal justice. I am officially retired tomorrow.

                  I was most delighted to find this forum and look forward to learning and sharing with others the rich history and joy of steamboating.




                    Welcome Glenn to .org! Yes indeed if you go back through the threads you'll find your father mentioned many a time. There are several of us here who were privileged to work with him, or in my case be a DQ passenger on many of his trips, and we hold him in the highest regard. Here is a picture he so proudly gave to some of us back in 1979.
                    Attached Files


                      Glen: Glad to hear that you were the successful bidder on the stern-wheeler. It looks to be a fun machine. I, too, am the owner of not one, but two steam launches; one 20' long fired by propane and the other 22' and fired by wood! You could make a convincing case for saying that I am owned by the steamboats! Anyway, they are lots of fun and I wish you the best of luck with yours. If I can be of any help, just let me know. Heaven knows that I found out the wrong way to do a lot of things and can mebbe save you some trouble! Cap'n Walnut.


                        WOW! Double WOW!!! I worked with your father quite a bit and he taught me a lot about the river. He was the first one to let me steer the DQ. I could go on and on, but your being in Texas is a real surprise. There are a bunch of steamboat owners and enthusiasts in Texas, Arkansas, and Louisiana, that get together twice a year, in Texas, to have a steamboat meet. They would probably like to see your smiling face, and, oh yes, your new boat. I have moved to Colorado, leaving two steamboats behind in Texas, one a sternwheeler. Email me if you want more info:


                          Old Folk's Home

                          Your father meant a lot to many of us, back in the 70's, who were youngsters just coming up in the steamboat trade; as I am sure others will come on here and vouch for that. I had the distinct honor to have worked with Captain Ware on his very first watch, as Pilot, aboard the DELTA QUEEN, the steamboat he often called the "Old-Folks Home"; meaning a final river refuge for retired river pilots. Sure wish that old steamboat home was still there for those of us needin' a roost.

                          Good luck with the new steamboat. What a coincidence it was that I saw it hightailing-it down I-65; heading down to Dixie. She is a pretty bird.



                            I'll add my two cents worth -- saw your posting lat night, but lost my connection after I typed my reply, so will try again. Your Dad was indeed one of our favorite pilots, and he was my teacher and mentor as well. I always thought of him as my grandfather, as I never knew either of mine.

                            A couple of months before he passed away, my wife Sharon and I went down to see him and Miss Cleo. I had brought some pictures of a trip I had recently made on the Illinois River as a young pilot. As he looked at them he asked me, "Is that your boat?" "Yes" "How many barges are you pushin'?" "12" "12 barges?!? Oh, hell, man, you done made it then!" Never has any compliment I have ever received meant more to me than that one.

                            I was Mate on watch with Capt. Ware on the Presidential trip in 1979. I could go on and on, but your Dad was very special to this hard-headed young man as I was coming up. I'll have to tell you, though, he would have frowned and shaken his head at the thought of you buying that steamboat!


                              I remember it being called the Floating Old Folks Home, and assumed he meant the passengers, but it certainly held true for the majority of pilots.

                              Re Lake Conroe: Watch out for those Gulf "breezes".