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    A good sign from Joe U.?

    Well, it's been almost 3 weeks since I posted my offer to Mr. Ueberroth to come to Seattle and straighten out his company, and I still haven't heard from him. I am devastated. I have already spent my expected consulting fee, and Raelynn and I apparently have completely wasted the evening we spent making checkmarks in the Seattle restaurant guide. Of course, there may be a logical reason for his lack of response -- like maybe Seattle doesn't have Internet service yet ....

    But seriously, folks -- I note with interest that Mr. U may indeed have brought in someone who actually understands the DQ's business. You may have noticed that AMIE's new board member is Robert Mosier, who was president and COO of DQSC in the early 1980's. He is presently a senior partner in a consulting firm which does a lot of restructuring of firms in financial trouble. He looks like a perfect fit.

    My question to all of you -- especially DQSC vets from Mr. Mosier's era -- is "What do you think of this guy?" Did you miss him when he left, or were you happy to see him gone? If he understood the company and its market 25 years ago, his return (even as a mere board member) could be very good news.

    Dave V.

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    Mosier's reputation with the 'oldtimers'

    I think we covered that in the thread about the new AMIE director - those of us around at the time all seem to have positive feelings about Mosier. One of the things I stated was that when President Carter wanted to ride the DQ, the 'company' (Mosier?) pressured him to ride the MQ instead. Since it was the DQ or nothing to Carter, Carter rode the DQ, and Mr. Mosier certainly saw what a true star she and her crew were(see crew bonus). So I have to think that he would still have some conviction that she is a viable and necessary part to the success of a riverboat cruise company. And while 'the union' and 'Congress' have been assigned the blame for the lack of the exemption, I have to think that if AMIE/MAL really wanted the exemption to pass, they could convince Congre$$ themselves.
    http://www.steamboats.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1859 Here's that old thread.

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      #3
      Aha! On the "river talk & cruises" board -- I don't often check that side, but I now know that I should.

      The commentary there is most encouraging. He does indeed sound like a perfect fit, and I don't think that Mr. U would waste Mr. M's time and knowledge by not listening to him.

      Dave V.

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        #4
        V Ships to Manage Majestic America

        There is a press release on the Ambassadors web- site today about V-Ships the management company that runs Windstar taking over the management of Majestic America Line. Does anyone know what this will mean?

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          #5
          Do They Hire Union Crews???????

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            #6
            Maybe, maybe not. Hard to tell. V.Ships Leisure is a division of a company based in Monaco. You can visit their website at http://www.vships.com/. You can even Email the CEO to ask questions. His Email address, as are many of the officials, is listed on the website. In addition to providing services for Windstar, they also do work for Seabourn, Radisson Seven Seas, and Silversea Cruises. Here's a mention at Modern Agent.

            In the same section as the Modern Agent article, I notice a bunch of MAL discount offers. Check out this 2 for 1 offer, plus the others along the right margin.
            Last edited by Darin Schuld; 11-21-2007, 10:28 AM.

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              #7
              Hi, Charles, Judy, David and others on this thread:
              The 'link' Charles has provided is most interesting to the point of 'intriguing.' It comes as no surprise to me. If you click and click again on their web site note the left block with 'Crew management.' Read down and you'll learn plenty. This new trend in vessel services has come about in recent years. In previous times most big lines employed their own 'nationals'...England, France, Germany, Greece etc. registering vessels under 'flags of convenience.' The Bahamas and Monrovia are not 'world powers' in my way of thinking. The services V-SHIPS offer is wide-ranging and complete. Today many cruise lines/shipping companies tend toward multi-national crews serving from the keel on up from engineers to deck crew, officers, hotel staff etc. In V-SHIPS one paragraph they mention "Expectations [today] of crews." I'll explore this site more to discern if they are also in the arena of not only vessel management but consult on sales and promotions. Takes time to read, digest and get through the international finance language that often confuses people.

              Monaco is a most interesting enclave to visit if you haven't had the opportunity [When you visit or drive through just toss you wallets and travel checks out the window as it is VERY expensive]. The principality is now a center for international corporations and enterprises due to the tax structure/incentatives and ability for the very wealthy to seek a haven via offices or 'declared residency' status. Switzerland, Grand Cayman and others 'havens' abound today catering to the international money markets. I'm reluctant to say "hide money there" but that's the way it is. On liners and sailing ships in recent years I've taken note of the crews being composed of at times 40 various nationalities. Too detailed for me to expand on here. Without undue prejucide against Monaco, I always had the impression there's a lot of good but also a lot of questionable 'dirty money' hidden there. Fabulously rich oil sheiks, munitions merchants and international barons tossing millions away each night on the casino's roulette tables isn't my cup of tea. Yes, been there, seen it.

              Seems the more we question...the more we dig...the more we find. Thanks for the links.

              Cheers,
              R. Dale Flick

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                #8
                I guess the one question is whether they could "reflag" the vessels. I believe that US law requires American employees if it is registered in the US. That would go against the image of Majestic AMERICA, if they attempted that gimic.

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                  #9
                  As the Passenger Vessel Services Act would prevent MAL from reflagging their boats and operating them to and from American ports without stopping at a foreign port, I don't think we'll see the MAL boats reflagged. But NCL America Cruise Line has pettitioned the U.S. Government and received permission to use a higher quota of third world labor on their American flagged Hawaiian ships. NCL's reasoning was that there are not enough American citizens willing to do what is required to man a ship, and that they can not find and maintain qualified American citizens for the crew. So that all-American staff serving that mint julep might become a thing of the past on MAL's boats. I would not put it past them to ask for the same waiver.

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                    #10
                    Hi, Darin:
                    Good question about "reflagging the vessels." I'm fuzzy on that without digging/researching. I doubt it, but there are others more informed who frequent this web who would know the regs and international agreements [Don, Ted, Bob, Alan, Kenny?]. Many of these ship/boat operations are in international ownership and management. It comes down to 'flags of convenience,' along with some companies doing the big 'paper shuffle' [i.e. 'paper corporations] in offices. Again, if we dig long enough the answers--or partial answers--can be found.

                    I hate to editorialize, but know from experience that when you enter the realm of social or political initiatives...which the DELTA QUEEN matter is...you enter an arena of 'licensed warfare.' The battles should be fought over the issues alone...not a war of 'personalities.' What we think of them...or they of us...isn't the issue. The SIU's pointed response as posted here recently is a prime example and when I get a sniff of 'legal' I just think and go 'Hmmm.' That communication wasn't just a warning flag...it was a battle cry. These business and political people have long memories. I've had my head beat in over the years politically on issues with scars and bruises to prove it. Well, perhaps I'm just getting too old now and my skin too thin...or is it calloused? Again, 40 lashes with the cat o' nine tales for Dale.

                    Cheers,
                    R. Dale Flick

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                      #11
                      I have no doubt that this outfit uses flags of convenience because it is a much cheaper way to operate... but as Frank pointed out, that is impossible to do to the QUEENS, now at least, because of their all-US ports of call. But hey, this regime has done whatever it could to help the conglomerates, US workers be dammed, so don't be surprised to see something in Congress in the near future to help their bottom line in the US cruise industry...

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                        #12
                        Hi, Judy:
                        Yes, I agree. I knew Frank would have pertinent comments and he rose to the call RE: the machinations of NCL. Thanks, Frank. At times I'm not clear to the point of being muddy and should delineate more between what happens on 'blue water ships' and our inland vessels. Yet the old siren call of 'them on the ocean' and 'us on the rivers' is changing.

                        What Frank, I and others have noticed in past years with the blue water ships is the seeming change in nationalities aboard...especially in the steward/bar/food/hotel staffs. Today many are from former Eastern European block nations, Russia and the Balkans. Some deck crew appear to be from Asia or the Phillipines. Other multi-national departments aboard can be from Britain, Scandinavia, Mexico, Central/South America, Thailand, Spain, Caribbean islands...well, you name it. Americans appear working in entertainment, on-board business offices etc. Many on-board shops and services are not owned by the line but contracted out as a concession. That's another issue. I learned the hard way long ago to 'never say never' in legislative processes and changes. You have to watch these politicians like a hawk. Blink your eye for an instant and they'll sell you down the river. Well, what do I know?

                        *You all have a peaceful Thanksgiving holiday!

                        Cheers,
                        R. Dale Flick

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                          #13
                          I can't necessarily speak to the "legislative process", but can tell you this: The law that prevents foreign-flagged ships from operating betwen two U.S. ports without a stop in another country is commonly known as "The Jones Act", and all laws thus pertaining are known as cabotage laws. Every country has them. The Jones Act (which is how I will commonly refer to the U.S. caboatge law) prevents any foreign flagged ship from operating in domestic or "coasting trade" service. This automatically excludes the QUEENS from being reflagged. As to the issue of not enough American workers being willing to do that type of work, this was raised a few years ago with regard to the inland towing industry.....not by the industry itself, but by others (read large owners/conglomerates) seeking to use foreign (Central and South American) crews to avoid paying higher labor rates. This initiative was roundly defeated in Congress, and in fact, was vigorously lobbied against by the American Waterways Operators (AWO). I have no doubt that AWO would again lobby against this. Few congressmen/women would knowingly give away American jobs at this point, I feel, especially since some of these often lead to higher-paying jobs within the same industry. I assume that MAL is a member of AWO, or at least PVA. I feel sure the PVA (Passenger Vessel Association, formerly NAPVO) would be opposed to this as well. Sometimes AWO and PVA hold joint meetings.

                          I can remember back in the 1970's, it was nearly impossible to get a job on the DQ -- the boat was staffed with many young college-age people who were looking for an "adventure", and many found just that, many of whom either post/lurk on this board or who are known to many on this board. These young people were dedicated workers who knew they were having a good time for a while, wanted to travel and meet some folks, and never intended to make a career. It is all a matter of perception and making folks know these jobs are available. There are more Mary Sward Charltons, Don Sanderss, etc., etc. than you may think!

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                            #14
                            Interestingly enough, NCLA is withdrawing one of the three ships in Hawaii in February 2008. The use of foreign citizens (non licensed) to supplement crews on the remaining two ships may well be closer than one may think.

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                              #15
                              [QUOTE There are more Mary Sward Charltons, Don Sanderss, etc., etc. than you may think![/QUOTE]

                              Nah, there's only ONE Mary Sward Charlton.

                              paul

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