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Ronald Lietha 05-20-2007 03:33 PM

Steamboat: Minnesota-General Allen-Cotton Blossom
 
All, one in the same, this steam driven, coal fired paddlewheeler was built in1916 at the Howard Boat Yard in Indiana for the Mayo Bros of Rochester, Mn, & named the Minnesota then sold in 1922 to the Upper Mississippi U. S. engineering Dept & re-named the "General Allen". the boat was retired from government service in the 1940-41 time era at the corps Boat Yard at Ft City, Wisc & then sold to a firm or indivdual from St Louis & renamed the "Cotton blossom". I am interested in history, pictures, articles & whatever from 1941-1978 when a local newspaper said it sank due to "mysterious circumstances"???. Would like to know what the boat was being used for at that time?. Boat originally had two structures on the top deck & the pilot house had a large, gold painted eagle on top, very distinctive. Any information appreciated.
Thanks
Ronald

Bill Judd 05-20-2007 09:44 PM

General Allen/Minnesota
 
The General Allen was sold as surplus by the Rock Island District in 1943. Bought by Central Barge Co. and towed on the Tennessee River. Dismantled in 1944 and used as a landing boat at Joliet. In 1966 the remains were towed to St. Louis and became a restaurant boat called the River Queen. Sank in 1978, at St. Louis, with name of Cotton Blossom.

Ronald Lietha 05-21-2007 08:36 AM

Cotton Blossom-River Queen
 
Thanks much Bill on the information I have requested. On top of the pilot house was a large gilded Eagle in flight. Would you know if that survived or if it was still there at the time it was a resturant at st Louis????. I had heard that the two top structures, (pilot house & Chart room), had been removed at a earlier time??. Any pictures that would be available when it was the River queen resturant?
Thanks

Keith Norrington 05-21-2007 11:29 AM

The domed pilothouse was long gone, but the other structure atop the boat was intact to the end. They added some fake stacks near it to make it appear a pseudo pilothouse. For a short time the boat served as a restaurant at Cape Girardeau, Missouri, named REBEL QUEEN. I don't know about the eagle, but the whistle survived and was blown and recorded aboard the Str. JULIA BELLE SWAIN at La Crosse, Wisconsin, several years ago. The whistle is now on display at The Riverside Museum (608-782-1980) in La Crosse. Perhaps they would also know about the whereabouts of the eagle. You might also contact the office of the JULIA BELLE SWAIN ([url]www.juliabelle.com[/url]) for information.

An excellent source of pictures of the MINNESOTA / GENERAL ALLEN is the Murphy Library at La Crosse, where over 50,000 steamboat images are on file and where prints can be purchased. The website address is [url]www.uwlax.edu/murphylibrary/[/url] which will take you to the section where the special collections are listed.

I saw the boat at St. Louis numerous times, but was never aboard it. For a time she was moored between the Eads and Veterans Bridges, but had been moved further down the levee below the south leg of the Gateway Arch at the time of the sinking. I recall seeing the remains of the hull being scooped out of the river by a big crane on a barge during the early summer of 1978.

We had a visitor at the Howard Steamboat Museum several years ago who showed us some color photographs of an excellent model he has built of the MINNESOTA.

A book, entitled [I]A Passion for the River; Mayo and the Mississippi [/I]by Matthew D. Dacy, was published in 2004. There are some fine pictures of the boat in this limited edition publication, which is often available on EBAY and through book dealers.

Ronald Lietha 05-21-2007 02:54 PM

General Allen
 
Keith: WOW, thanks much for the information. My father, who went on the river around 1922 when he was 15 years old started & finished, (when he got married), on the General Allen. I think he perhaps got off around 1929, I have a lot of pictures he took at that time of the Allen & many other steam boats pertaining to the U.S. Corps of Engineers. That is the reason for my interest in the history of the boat & the Eagle. I will follow up on the whistle & whatever else comes along.
Thanks Again for your response.
Ronald Lietha

Keith Norrington 05-21-2007 03:07 PM

Ronald, you are most welcome! I think I have several photos of the boat at St. Louis and, if I can locate them, I'll scan and post those images for you.

Ronald Lietha 05-21-2007 03:40 PM

General Allen
 
Kieth: That would indeed, be SUPER.
Ronald

Judy Patsch 05-21-2007 04:17 PM

This is supposed to follow Ronald's posting, don't know if it will.... did your father work with Capt. Walter Karnath on the ALLEN? He was the grandfather of Dick(Butch) Karnath, recently 'retired' pilot on the AMERICAN QUEEN. Walter Jr. was well-known to many of us as a pilot on the DELTA QUEEN after his retirement.

Ronald Lietha 05-21-2007 05:36 PM

Capt of the General Allen
 
Judy; Could be, dont remember if my father ever mentioned that name. My father was on the boat from the 1922-1929 time period, so whoever was the captain at that time is who it was. I remember that my father started out as a fireman & deck hand & ended up piloting the boat, I imagine while the Captain was sleeping?. Remember he said that one night while he was piloting, I believe they ran aground of a sandbar in Lake Pepin??, no radar in those days!. Also remember him saying that he was way up on a ladder, (I have a picture of this), painting the stacks while the boat was underway when it hit a sandbar & he came down all the way to the top deck, apparently unhurt!!!, lucky man.
Ronald

Lexie Palmore 05-22-2007 02:23 PM

It seems in the dark recesses of my mind that the eagle was in the possession of Walter Karnath. I was at his house once and believe I saw it. But that was a long time ago. Maybe this will get a response from a member of the Karnath family in order to deny or confirm what I've said.


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