I know how expensive a sleeper is on Amtrak. I rode the CARDINAL and then the EMPIRE BUILDER out to Portland, OR during May. You're right, Jim! It's not cheap, but I was referring to trains like the ORIENT EXPRESS in Europe or the varnish that the current Pullman Company operates pulled by Amtrak. I don't think throngs are riding in Amtrak equipment to relive the good ol' days!