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Frank X. Prudent 06-07-2017 01:20 PM

Trump at Coal Haven
 
Trump today gave a speech standing at what years ago would have been Marmet's Landing above downtown Cincinnati. He highlighted the need for infrastructure improvements in America and particularly the river systems. I can fully agree with him on this one! The devil is in the details, and with Trump's plan it could mean fees to use the upgraded locks and dams with the public/private financing he proposes. Also how this squares with the Northwest Ordinance allowing free use of the rivers covered by this early law might be for the courts to decide.

R. Dale Flick 06-07-2017 03:01 PM

*Trump at ole'Coal Haven Landing today*
Hi, Frank!
Thanks for notifiying our .org gang about President Trump's stop in Cincinnati today landing at Lunken Airport on Wilmer Ave adjacent to ole' Coal Haven Landing, MARMET Landing etc. Agree with you "the devil is in the details" and ALL river interests, river and boat supporters should watch and listen closely. I'm suspicious that current aspirations in Washington, D.C. could well 'try' to negate, pass over long existing laws stemming back to the Northwest Ordinance as you mention above. The day was when ole' Coal Haven was a busy, bustling, hard working, gritty part of town in the East End linked to the steamboats, coal fleets, nearby rail yards at Underclift.
R. Dale Flick
Ole Coal Haven Landing, Ohio River, Cincinnati

Jim Blum 06-07-2017 05:14 PM

Dale, could you enlighten us on details of how POTUS "landed" at Lunken Airport. Don't think Lunken Airport has a runway that will accomodate a 747, unless a lot of runway work has been done since I last dined in the restaurant in the "terminal".

Bill Judd 06-07-2017 07:42 PM

Capt.Jim: Airforce One was a C32A/ 757 for today

Jim Reising 06-08-2017 07:31 AM

Frank, the rivers aren't really "free". Although there are no tolls for using locks, there is a federal fuel tax on commercial vessels which half goes into the general fund and the other half goes into a trust fund for maintaining and building of waterway improvements.
When I retired a few years ago it was $.20 a gallon, I'm not sure what it is now.

R. Dale Flick 06-08-2017 07:42 AM

*Lunken runways/President landing*
Steamboating colleagues,
Jim, indeed larger aircraft can land at Lunken field here. Some years ago they did extend the runway and Bill Judd may know more. Some years back they even landed one of the huge Air Force cargo jets [C5A?] successfully. I'm pretty muddy on my knowledge of aircraft and nomenclature. I remember cars parked on Wilmer Avenue, Beechmont with people viewing, taking photos. That huge 'thing' came in low over our heads and down on the tarmack with no problem--but in powerful reverse.

*History note: At one time Germany considered making Cincinnati a scheduled way stop in the U.S. for the huge airships like the HINDENBERG. Off Wilmer Ave. there was a large concrete landing pad and high tripod 'A' landing tower. After the HINDENBERG did it's thing in Lakehurst, NJ, the plan was abandoned. U.S. Mail and some light, valuable cargo, was flown by plane over to Lakehurst for loading on the HINDENBERG bound for Germany. And there was also the GRAF zeppelin with other airships planned but abandoned. During W.W. II the U.S. Navy used that docking tower for Navy blimps--and some of them were pretty big. The Navy even had barracks there for the blimp crews. Well, what do I know?

R. Dale Flick
Ole Coal Haven Landing, Ohio River, Cincinnati.

Jim Blum 06-08-2017 08:26 AM

Well I'll be dipped in Chicken fat! Yep Bill & Dale a bit of googling comes up with the story and photo of the C32A/757. Apparently a C32A has landed at Lunken several times in the not too distant past. Thanks for the enlightenment Bill, Dale.

Russ Ryle 06-08-2017 08:57 AM

re: Back in the earl(ieer...) days .....
 
When opened in 1930 or 1931 then Cincinnati Municipal Airport now known as Lunken (sunk'in Lunken in times of high water) was the largest airport in the U.S. Times changed. Airports needed more runway length so Cincinnati Municipal moved to its present location post WW II.

Keep your steam up!

Russ Ryle

Frank X. Prudent 06-08-2017 03:17 PM

[QUOTE=Jim Reising;36556]Frank, the rivers aren't really "free". Although there are no tolls for using locks, there is a federal fuel tax on commercial vessels which half goes into the general fund and the other half goes into a trust fund for maintaining and building of waterway improvements.
When I retired a few years ago it was $.20 a gallon, I'm not sure what it is now.[/QUOTE]

I am fully aware of the fuel tax that was added by Congress years ago to maintain the inland rivers' and other maritime infrastructure. I also well remember the big fight that it caused before the marine industry grudgingly accepted it. You couldn't pick up a copy of the "Water Closet Journal" without reading an editorial condemning even such an idea for a tax.

Jim Reising 06-09-2017 06:40 AM

It was passed to get the Olmstead project going........what a boon dogle 20 yrs and billions of dollars later, the project is still not completed.

Frank X. Prudent 06-09-2017 04:38 PM

[QUOTE=Jim Reising;36567]It was passed to get the Olmstead project going........what a boon dogle 20 yrs and billions of dollars later, the project is still not completed.[/QUOTE]

With Trump's proposed infrastructure plan, and thankfully it probably won't get through Congress, a contractor could bid on shovel ready work, get nearly 85% tax credits on the job, finish it, and then charge tolls to recoup their investment. John Q. Public will end up paying nearly twice for the work, but it would finally get the job done!

R. Dale Flick 06-09-2017 05:21 PM

*Other Residents visiting Coal Haven?*
Steamboating colleagues:
While wading through the discussions on President Trump's recent visit to Coal Haven Landing, exchanges over river oil taxes etc. I happened to muse a bit remembering when one other U.S. President visited that gritty, industrial, river oriented location in Cincinnati's East End. I was there as a kid when President Harry Truman rolled into Cincinnati on his last election aboard a special train. His train stopped briefly at the rail crossing on Airport Road leading down to Wilmer Avenue and Coal Haven. I honestly can't remember a word "Give em' hell Harry" said but remember the large crowd, the classic train car with the shiny brass railing on the rear platform with something like a canvas awning. BessTruman and daughter Margaret Truman may have been with him but I can't recall--think Margaret was. After his speech and cheers, the train slowly picked up speed moving into Undercliff Rail Yards and then on east out of Cincinnati. Now that was a L-O-N-G time ago. Well, what do I know or remember?

R. Dale Flick
Old Coal Haven Landing, Ohio River, Cincinnati.

R. Dale Flick 06-10-2017 10:39 AM

*Pres. Truman's rail route out of Coal Haven*
Steamboating colleagues,
In writing RE: President Truman's railroad 'whistle stop' and speech near old Coal Haven Landing I mused further. Jim Blum one in our midst who's interested in railroading etc. GL Purser Bob McCann another who could rock on his heels rattling off IN and OUT passenger trains from Cincinnati and other river cities. He had to as his job as Purser was to assist people boarding then trains following their GORDON C. GREENE/DELTA QUEEN trips. Later Bob also mastered most of the air schedules. I recall he kept a copy of the OAG for plane schedules in his office.

I can't recall what route Truman used in leaving Undercliff Rail Yards out here in Cincinnati's East End. Could have been over the N&W, PENNSYLVANIA or even linked with the NEW YORK CENTRAL. What Truman's destination after Cincy I don't know. If returning to Washington, D.C. could have been N&W linked with B&O, C&O. Heck, I don't know. Bill Judd may have some ideas. And Yes, the locomotive here was steam but other archival sites show the Truman train pulled by diesel units in other cities. HELP!

R. Dale Flick
Old Coal Haven Landing, Ohio River, Cincinnati.

Jim Reising 06-10-2017 01:19 PM

Supposedly, when Truman stopped in Louisville he said "Bess is inside the car checking to see if her mother-in-law really was a dog."

R. Dale Flick 06-12-2017 07:10 AM

*Pres. Truman's campaign train/Miles & speeches*
Steamboating colleagues,
Well, I got my teeth into President Harry Truman's Cincinnati whistlestop campaign tour here near old Coal haven Landing and couldn't let it go. I was a small kid in 1948 well remembering his stop, the train, crowds of people but now in 2017 not one word he said. Historical records vary but Truman traveled between 28,000 and 36,000 rail miles depending on your source. He gave some 336 speeches. No route map provided. The train composed off 17 cars from diner, lounges, sleeping cars. Alternatively pulled by steam or diesel locomotives depending on the rail route and right of way.

The Presidential train car then named FERDINAND MAGELLAN built by the Pullman Co. Franklin Roosevelt used it also. It was reinforced with protective steel and thick protective window glass. Roosevelt's body was transported from Warm Springs, Georgia in the car after his death; then on for burial at Hyde Park, N.Y. on the Hudson River.

Jim, I don't know about Truman's "mother-in-law" but know his own aged mother was still living in 1944. Sara Delano-Roosevelt, Franklin's mother, also lived a long life with Franklin not surviving her by very many years. In fact it was Sara Delano-Roosevelt who blew the whistle to son Franklin in the Navy Department when she returned aboard the liner LUSITANIA seeing "gun mounts hidden, deck rings and 'swivels' for the mounted guns." This leading to the LUSITANIA being torpedoed by the German Navy, May, 1915. Well, what do I know? Not everything is pure steamboats.

R. Dale Flick
Old Coal Haven Landing, Ohio River, Cincinnati.


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