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Ted Davisson 01-03-2010 02:11 PM

How Would YOU Do It ????
 
Greetings From New Orleanbs !
When you take into account the make up of the people that both read and post on this web page concerning steamboating , there is an absolute wealth of personal and second hand experience of what should and should not be done to successfully run and operat a steamboat company . Think fo it , there are both retired and still working Coast Guard licensed deck and engineering officiers , there are the frequent " flyer " passengers , there is of course the Buffs and Buffets ( Thank You Capt. Ware ) and if the truth was known I would also imagine that there were a few ex-management steamboat or even cruise line people whom have had to deal with all the unique situations that occur on the Mississippi River system .
For the most part , most of us that have followed the demise of the Delta Queen Steamboat Company have a pretty good idea of what happened , of what worked and of what did not work !
So , here is your chance folks to be the CEO of a steamboat company , and to implement all the rules and regulations that YOU believe are necessary to operate a modern day Mississippi River steamboat company .
Here are a few of mine .
1. Operate two boats , one on the upper rivers and one on the lower rivers .
2. One centrally located home office ( possibly Memphis ) .
3. Experienced " Boat People " that are now in charge in the home office .
4. Better treatment and training of ALL boat personel including pay and chance of advancement .
5. A shorter operating season .
6. Better variety and scope of on board entertainment , possibly an on board casino or more non traditional river related song and dance routines .
7. Fewer employees in the home office .
8. Better marketing of the company and the boats . Reincarnate Betty Blake
9. Focus on only the more profitable Ports Of Call .
10. More competive pricing of cruses with the Cruise Ships .

These are just a few of the things that I would do and or at least consider inorder to successfully run and operate a modern day Western River steamboat company . Now , what would YOU do or for that matter not do ??
Smooth Sailing !
Ted Davisson

Steve Huffman 01-03-2010 03:06 PM

If the idea is not limited to overnight steamboating, I would instead run tramp excursions out of various ports. The fun of overnight travel would not be there, but seems like it could be more profitable by going for the excursion trade. (have a large volume of low-fare passengers on short trips, as opposed to catering to a low number of high-fare passengers on long trips).

In other words, what the NATCHEZ, BELLE of LOUISVILLE and BELLE of CINCINNATI are doing now, except move to a new city when the number of passengers drops off. The crews of the NATCHEZ and BELLE's have a perk in that they rarely tramp, so they can go home at night. With tramping, the crew would be living aboard (or in town), but that's the same as with the overnight vessel crews.

There are some logistics, such as advertising ahead before reaching the next port, and the usual red-tape of dealing with the various cities.

I can think of one steamboat that would be ideal to begin tramping with: JULIA BELLE SWAIN. No other steamboats come to mind. I guess a second boat would need to be built... :-)

Ted Davisson 01-03-2010 03:37 PM

Point Well Taken !
 
Capt. Steve ,
Point well taken ! In fact that idea is just what may carry steamboating into the future ! Just possibly some form of tramping is the ticket or something like what one of the BB River Cruise boats did when it went from Cincinnatti to Pittsburg with the passengers staying shore side hotels at night .
One other idea I would implement for a new and improved steamboat company would be to give repeat passengers a greater fare discount as an incentive for them and their friends and families to make repeat trips .






[QUOTE=Steve Huffman;19856]If the idea is not limited to overnight steamboating, I would instead run tramp excursions out of various ports. The fun of overnight travel would not be there, but seems like it could be more profitable by going for the excursion trade. (have a large volume of low-fare passengers on short trips, as opposed to catering to a low number of high-fare passengers on long trips).

In other words, what the NATCHEZ, BELLE of LOUISVILLE and BELLE of CINCINNATI are doing now, except move to a new city when the number of passengers drops off. The crews of the NATCHEZ and BELLE's have a perk in that they rarely tramp, so they can go home at night. With tramping, the crew would be living aboard (or in town), but that's the same as with the overnight vessel crews.

There are some logistics, such as advertising ahead before reaching the next port, and the usual red-tape of dealing with the various cities.

I can think of one steamboat that would be ideal to begin tramping with: JULIA BELLE SWAIN. No other steamboats come to mind. I guess a second boat would need to be built... :-)[/QUOTE]

Tom Schiffer 01-03-2010 05:12 PM

Ted: I hate to display my abject ignorance, and I may be the only one who does not understand the ins and outs of SOLAS etc, but why could the DQ not continue to run but tie up at night...mebbe from 11:30 PM to 12:30 AM or from dark to dark for that matter? Pax to stay aboard...not hafta stay up town as on the BELL OF CINCY ETC. What would be the legal difference between what is going on now in Chattanooga and doing that?? What is their definition of "ovenight" Cap'n Walnut.

Ted Davisson 01-03-2010 05:28 PM

Good Question !!
 
Tom ,
Good question and I believe that the DQ could very well do just that ! Cruise during the day and then send her daytime passengers to the local hotel for the night .



[QUOTE=Tom Schiffer;19860]Ted: I hate to display my abject ignorance, and I may be the only one who does not understand the ins and outs of SOLAS etc, but why could the DQ not continue to run but tie up at night...mebbe from 11:30 PM to 12:30 AM or from dark to dark for that matter? Pax to stay aboard...not hafta stay up town as on the BELL OF CINCY ETC. What would be the legal difference between what is going on now in Chattanooga and doing that?? What is their definition of "ovenight" Cap'n Walnut.[/QUOTE]

Roger Hilligoss 01-03-2010 06:23 PM

I believe the big difference in what the Delta Queen is doing now and your proposal of cruising during the day is a matter of jurisdiction. The Delta Queen no longer has a COI and is not overseen by the USCG in any manner. She is governed by the local Fire Marshal as any other hotel would be (I think). In order to cruise, she would have to be given a COI which under current law would only allow 49 overnight passengers.

John Fryant 01-03-2010 06:47 PM

It would be interesting to know what kind of profit (if any) that Capt. Alan Bernstein made on the recent Belle of Cincinnati cruise to Pittsburgh. He must have made some, as I understand he is planning to do some similar cruises in the future.

Tom Schiffer 01-03-2010 06:59 PM

Wouldn't she hafta have a COI to carry 49 or less overnight pax or to run daylight only? Cap'n Walnut.

John Fryant 01-03-2010 07:14 PM

New boats
 
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In addition to Ted's suggestions I think it is very important to design attractive boats. They could be economical to operate diesel powered sternwheelers that looked like old time steamboats. Make them small enough - like Natchez, JBS, Belle of Louisville, so that could go anywhere. Whether they would be overnight boats or just day excursion vessels, make them attractive to the eye so that potential customers, when seeing one of them, would want to take a trip. (No more Mississippi Queens, Please!)

I'm no marine architect, but I was trained as an artist and designer and I can build pretty good models. A few years ago I used a model kit of the Creole Queen and redesigned the superstructure into what I feel is a much more attractive boat. I named it Ohio Valley in honor of the boat that Fred Way had designed in the mid 1920s but was never built. I hope these attached photos of the model get posted along with this text. If not I'll try again, as I'm new to posting photos.

If I saw this boat coming into my landing, I'd sure want to take a ride on it.
And put big air calliopes on the boats that would play automatically or with a keyboard. And have Travis program them.

Jim Reising 01-03-2010 10:05 PM

Beautiful boat, John, I'd love to take a ride on it. You know I've often thought the perfect boat for overnight trade would be the BELLE OF CINCY. I believe you could make some prefabricated cabins and put those in rather reasonably. It's a shame the boats sister is just rotting down. It's seems like the right size and I think it is a good looking boat.


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